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	<title>Comments on: Yelp&#8217;s New Low in Restaurant Reviewing</title>
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		<title>By: diannejacob</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4345</link>
		<dc:creator>diannejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, good distinction to say that Chowhound is a discussion board, not a reviews site. Agreed. 

Re restaurants you visit, I&#039;m impressed that you pay for them yourself, and don&#039;t think of yourself as an entitled blogger who should be woed by restaurateurs and p.r. people. That is certainly a stereotype, but I&#039;m afraid people like that exist. 

Re reviews, what I like about them is that they discuss the pros and cons. If you never discuss the cons, your blog reads like a promotional tool to boost restaurant and event attendance. Bloggers are not p.r. people, but sometimes it sure seems that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, good distinction to say that Chowhound is a discussion board, not a reviews site. Agreed. </p>
<p>Re restaurants you visit, I&#8217;m impressed that you pay for them yourself, and don&#8217;t think of yourself as an entitled blogger who should be woed by restaurateurs and p.r. people. That is certainly a stereotype, but I&#8217;m afraid people like that exist. </p>
<p>Re reviews, what I like about them is that they discuss the pros and cons. If you never discuss the cons, your blog reads like a promotional tool to boost restaurant and event attendance. Bloggers are not p.r. people, but sometimes it sure seems that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4327</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never liked Yelp and I don&#039;t use it. The news about the lawsuit was even more disturbing. However, I do read Chowhound and I find that it&#039;s easy to pick out who knows what they&#039;re talking about so it&#039;s easy to follow them and their opinions. I don&#039;t know why these should replace reviews, however. The way I see it, Chowhound is a discussion board. Yes, people make recommendations and talk of their experiences at certain places but I never really see the postings there as official reviews. I still read my local paper&#039;s restaurant reviews even if I have already visited the restaurant before it is reviewed.

On the subject of blogs, I sometimes write about restaurants I visit and tell about my experience. I don&#039;t portray myself as a critic because I&#039;m not and that&#039;s not the area of food writing I would like to get into. I think my readers know that and my hope is that they&#039;ll see my restaurant write-ups as if I were their friend telling them about a place I just tried. Unfortunately, It seems like all bloggers who write about restaurants in any fashion are always placed into the same category with those who take or demand freebies. I have paid for the majority of my meals; I never announce myself and I don&#039;t request special favors. On maybe two or three occasions in my three years of blogging I&#039;ve been to pre-opening media dinners and if I have written about them, I specify that they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never liked Yelp and I don&#8217;t use it. The news about the lawsuit was even more disturbing. However, I do read Chowhound and I find that it&#8217;s easy to pick out who knows what they&#8217;re talking about so it&#8217;s easy to follow them and their opinions. I don&#8217;t know why these should replace reviews, however. The way I see it, Chowhound is a discussion board. Yes, people make recommendations and talk of their experiences at certain places but I never really see the postings there as official reviews. I still read my local paper&#8217;s restaurant reviews even if I have already visited the restaurant before it is reviewed.</p>
<p>On the subject of blogs, I sometimes write about restaurants I visit and tell about my experience. I don&#8217;t portray myself as a critic because I&#8217;m not and that&#8217;s not the area of food writing I would like to get into. I think my readers know that and my hope is that they&#8217;ll see my restaurant write-ups as if I were their friend telling them about a place I just tried. Unfortunately, It seems like all bloggers who write about restaurants in any fashion are always placed into the same category with those who take or demand freebies. I have paid for the majority of my meals; I never announce myself and I don&#8217;t request special favors. On maybe two or three occasions in my three years of blogging I&#8217;ve been to pre-opening media dinners and if I have written about them, I specify that they were.</p>
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		<title>By: diannejacob</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4312</link>
		<dc:creator>diannejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, all this bad press has got to affect their ability to bring in advertising, I would imagine. Will it be enough to get them to change their ways -- that&#039;s the real question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, all this bad press has got to affect their ability to bring in advertising, I would imagine. Will it be enough to get them to change their ways &#8212; that&#8217;s the real question.</p>
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		<title>By: diannejacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>diannejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sheila, interesting approach, to just walk down the street or ask people. A lot of restaurant reviewers do that.

Yes, good to have some skepticism when it comes to these sites. We&#039;ll all have to have lots now when we read Yelp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sheila, interesting approach, to just walk down the street or ask people. A lot of restaurant reviewers do that.</p>
<p>Yes, good to have some skepticism when it comes to these sites. We&#8217;ll all have to have lots now when we read Yelp.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Henry</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4309</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! This is outrageous. I wonder if Yelp will recover from all the bad press?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! This is outrageous. I wonder if Yelp will recover from all the bad press?</p>
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		<title>By: Strawberry Cake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strawberry Cake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yelp is new to me. NEVER heard of it.  But I am a mom of four and alot goes by me in the world these days.  I do write reviews on my blog of restaurants I love.  All for the love it, never for money or recognigition.  (so far!)  I STILL read my local papers reviews, many times I disagree, but I read....The only time I use Chowhound or any of these websites to find a restaurant is if I am on vacation and skeptical of the recommendations I am getting from the conceirge or hotel book.  But them I still feel the best place to find a restaurant is on the street.  JUST ASK around people.  And then judge for youself and then if you are me write a blurb about it on your website and hope some one tries it too.  I am all about local, local local.  And one, more thing it is true if I go on &quot;these&quot; sites I usually try to scan to the bottom of the bowl to see what some of the farther down reviewers have said.  So that&#039;s my two cents....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yelp is new to me. NEVER heard of it.  But I am a mom of four and alot goes by me in the world these days.  I do write reviews on my blog of restaurants I love.  All for the love it, never for money or recognigition.  (so far!)  I STILL read my local papers reviews, many times I disagree, but I read&#8230;.The only time I use Chowhound or any of these websites to find a restaurant is if I am on vacation and skeptical of the recommendations I am getting from the conceirge or hotel book.  But them I still feel the best place to find a restaurant is on the street.  JUST ASK around people.  And then judge for youself and then if you are me write a blurb about it on your website and hope some one tries it too.  I am all about local, local local.  And one, more thing it is true if I go on &#8220;these&#8221; sites I usually try to scan to the bottom of the bowl to see what some of the farther down reviewers have said.  So that&#8217;s my two cents&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: diannejacob</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4190</link>
		<dc:creator>diannejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I take it you weren&#039;t paid to be an Elite reviewer. It was all about the prestige and the free meals? Plus, it seems odd to put your photo up, a no-no for traditional reviewers, but then I guess being anonymous wasn&#039;t important to Yelp. 

Agreed that the site is pretty good in many ways, but they&#039;ve ruined it now. I wouldn&#039;t call it a high-school manner. More like the mafia, where you have to pay protection money to keep your business in good standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take it you weren&#8217;t paid to be an Elite reviewer. It was all about the prestige and the free meals? Plus, it seems odd to put your photo up, a no-no for traditional reviewers, but then I guess being anonymous wasn&#8217;t important to Yelp. </p>
<p>Agreed that the site is pretty good in many ways, but they&#8217;ve ruined it now. I wouldn&#8217;t call it a high-school manner. More like the mafia, where you have to pay protection money to keep your business in good standing.</p>
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		<title>By: diannejacob</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator>diannejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s true here as well. Newspaper reviewers have often come from other areas of the newspaper. It&#039;s more of a closed shop at newspapers if you want a full-time job,  but not for freelance reviewers. 

Freelance reviewers may not work as well in those terms, but usually they are a necessary evil because the publication/website can&#039;t afford salaried employees.

If you can find smaller newspapers and local websites that take reviews or need them, you can still get into restaurant reviewing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true here as well. Newspaper reviewers have often come from other areas of the newspaper. It&#8217;s more of a closed shop at newspapers if you want a full-time job,  but not for freelance reviewers. </p>
<p>Freelance reviewers may not work as well in those terms, but usually they are a necessary evil because the publication/website can&#8217;t afford salaried employees.</p>
<p>If you can find smaller newspapers and local websites that take reviews or need them, you can still get into restaurant reviewing.</p>
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		<title>By: diannejacob</title>
		<link>http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/yelps-new-low-in-restaurant-reviewing/comment-page-1/#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator>diannejacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Gina, I don&#039;t agree that reviews should be all positive. In fact, I wouldn&#039;t consider that a review. I&#039;d consider it promotion. Please read &lt;a href=&quot;http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/now-thats-how-to-write-a-review/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post on reviewing&lt;/a&gt; for background. 

Also as I wrote to Jake, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1569243778?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=dianjacobookc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1569243778&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will Write for Food&lt;/a&gt; has a 9,000 word chapter on restaurant reviewing. Sorry for the blatant self-promotion, but at least it’s an inexpensive investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Gina, I don&#8217;t agree that reviews should be all positive. In fact, I wouldn&#8217;t consider that a review. I&#8217;d consider it promotion. Please read <a href="http://diannej.com/blog/2010/02/now-thats-how-to-write-a-review/" rel="nofollow">my post on reviewing</a> for background. </p>
<p>Also as I wrote to Jake, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1569243778?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=dianjacobookc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=1569243778" rel="nofollow">Will Write for Food</a> has a 9,000 word chapter on restaurant reviewing. Sorry for the blatant self-promotion, but at least it’s an inexpensive investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I can tell (and I&#039;ve written about 200 reviews on Yelp and am a former elite), Yelp will give a dose of protection to companies with whom they have a relationship or a company that is a paying sponsor. They will remove negative reviews for businesses that fall under those categories, for reasons that are suspect. They will allow vindictive, nasty, slanderous reviews to remain up for companies or businesses that do not fall under those categories. 

One difference between a site like Yelp and other social networking sites like Facebook or other user review sites like Amazon is that people who are really into Yelp are pretty cultish about it. They will rush to defend Yelp as swiftly as if Yelp were the religion they&#039;ve been part of since birth and their family has been part of for generations. 

The company assigns community managers as a means of getting people excited about being social and essentially getting addicted to the Yelp community via their social events. And the community managers are really, really pushy sometimes. When I was first nominated to be an Elite (I guess someone like my writing enough), the community manager kept after me to join up even though I declined initially multiple times. I finally accepted, but she said I had to put a real photo of myself up. I did and quietly a few weeks later took it down, but within a day another community manager wrote a message (with a condescending twist): &quot;you need to have a photo up, etc, we realize the responsibilities(?) that come with being an Elite aren&#039;t for everyone(??)&quot; and so on and so forth. I decided around that time to ask to be relieved of Yelp elite &quot;duties&quot; (which I guess involve...well, I&#039;m not sure what exactly. Having a massive ego, perhaps?)

Point is, Yelp is a pretty good site in a lot of ways but it&#039;s utterly ruined by their specious business practices and their really, really off-putting high school manner of how they conduct their social affairs and businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell (and I&#8217;ve written about 200 reviews on Yelp and am a former elite), Yelp will give a dose of protection to companies with whom they have a relationship or a company that is a paying sponsor. They will remove negative reviews for businesses that fall under those categories, for reasons that are suspect. They will allow vindictive, nasty, slanderous reviews to remain up for companies or businesses that do not fall under those categories. </p>
<p>One difference between a site like Yelp and other social networking sites like Facebook or other user review sites like Amazon is that people who are really into Yelp are pretty cultish about it. They will rush to defend Yelp as swiftly as if Yelp were the religion they&#8217;ve been part of since birth and their family has been part of for generations. </p>
<p>The company assigns community managers as a means of getting people excited about being social and essentially getting addicted to the Yelp community via their social events. And the community managers are really, really pushy sometimes. When I was first nominated to be an Elite (I guess someone like my writing enough), the community manager kept after me to join up even though I declined initially multiple times. I finally accepted, but she said I had to put a real photo of myself up. I did and quietly a few weeks later took it down, but within a day another community manager wrote a message (with a condescending twist): &#8220;you need to have a photo up, etc, we realize the responsibilities(?) that come with being an Elite aren&#8217;t for everyone(??)&#8221; and so on and so forth. I decided around that time to ask to be relieved of Yelp elite &#8220;duties&#8221; (which I guess involve&#8230;well, I&#8217;m not sure what exactly. Having a massive ego, perhaps?)</p>
<p>Point is, Yelp is a pretty good site in a lot of ways but it&#8217;s utterly ruined by their specious business practices and their really, really off-putting high school manner of how they conduct their social affairs and businesses.</p>
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